Week 3 Conference Report
The only decent interconference records are held by the Big XII (23-4 including 11 FCS wins), Big Ten (23-7, including 6 FCS wins), and SEC (30-6, including 8 FCS wins). You can only tell a limited amount from the games between those conferences, but I think Arkansas’ win over Texas is significant. Arkansas is usually one of the worst teams in the West, and Texas is usually one of the best teams in the Big XII. To my shame as an LSU fan, I think the Tigers have the SEC’s worst loss, but the good thing is the Pac-12 barely has a winning overall record, so they’re not close to being considered. UCLA is an improving program, but they shouldn’t beat a team with LSU’s recent success in the SEC.
It is bad that Vanderbilt lost to East Tennessee St., but it’s not that unexpected for the worst of any conference to lose to an FCS opponent. This year, FCS teams have won 10% of the time against FBS opponents. Also, the Commodores redeemed themselves somewhat against Colorado St. On the other hand, the Big Ten and Big XII have not suffered such losses yet.
The best win by the Big XII was West Virginia over Virginia Tech, but the Mountaineers also suffered a loss to Maryland. I don’t really fault the Big XII for the other two losses: Iowa St. usually loses to Iowa, which looks to be a very good team this year; and Kansas staying with Coastal Carolina as long as the Jayhawks did was a positive in my view.
The Big Ten has the most losses in this group, although most are excusable. Nebraska did well to keep Oklahoma close. Illinois (losses to Virginia and Texas-San Antonio) is just having a bad year. Northwestern has had recent success though, so their loss to Duke isn’t as well-taken. I also didn’t expect Indiana to beat Cincinnati. I do fault Ohio St. a bit for losing to Oregon.
So, for the Big Ten, I just think there is too much blame to go around. There also isn’t a really great win. Michigan St. had a good win against U. Miami, but I think the Hurricanes were just overrated. Penn St. was a good win over Auburn, but Auburn has a new head coach after losing at least 4 games every season since the national-championship loss to Florida St. in the 2013 season. Auburn is just not what they used to be. I know Penn St. did poorly in last year’s abbreviated season, but after going 11-2 and winning the Cotton Bowl in the last full season, I still think they’re a program more on the right track. It just wasn’t a huge deal that they beat Auburn at home.
The SEC’s other losses weren’t anything to write home about. Pittsburgh was somewhat of an upset against Tennessee, but the Vols are usually in the bottom half of the SEC if not the bottom quarter. Mississippi St. has an accomplished head coach with an entertaining personality and therefore some potential, but we haven’t seen much from the Bulldogs since Dan Mullen left after the 2017 season. I’d frown upon losing to most American Conference opponents, but Memphis is a much better program than most in that conference.
I’m giving to the edge to the SEC at this point based on Georgia’s win over Clemson. Neither the Big Ten nor the Big XII has that giant-killer sort of game on its resume. Georgia is one of the top 5 to 10 programs right now, don’t get me wrong; but Clemson is one of the top 2 programs right now. West Virginia beating Virginia Tech (who was only ranked because they beat a likely overrated UNC team) is no comparison.
Since this is a combined blog when originally I meant it to be two separate blogs, I’m just going to give a list of the other conferences with their records and my ranking.
The American Conference (AAC) might raise some eyebrows based on record alone, but trust me that they have better wins and a stronger schedule as a whole. I mentioned a couple of them above: Memphis over Mississippi St. and Cincinnati over Indiana.
4. ACC (22-12, including 10 wins over FCS)
5. Pac-12 (16-15, including 7 wins over FCS)
6. MWC (20-13, including 8 wins over FCS)
7. AAC (17-18, including 8 wins over FCS)
8. Sun Belt (17-10, including 8 wins over FCS)
9. Independents (13-6, including 2 wins over FCS)
10. CUSA (16-17, including 12 wins over FCS)
11. MAC (13-22, including 10 wins over FCS)
As for the rankings, the first thing I wanted to note was that I left USC in last week’s rankings by accident. I should have ranked Central Florida #24, although last week’s performance has taken the Golden Knights back out of the rankings. I also should have taken UL-Lafayette, which lost to Texas in Week 1, out and left Texas in at #25.
So this should have been the final three teams and the “out of rankings” list last week:
23 Ball St. 23
24 C. Florida —
25 Texas 15
Out of rankngs: (20) UL-Lafayette, (21) S. California, (24) Buffalo
Week 3 Top 25
Moving on to this week, I decided to move Oregon up another chunk of spots. I know at the end of the season “win chains” (Team A beat Team B who beat Team C and so on) get ridiculous, but it’s one of the few things to go on as we transition from a general sense of a team in preseason to a situation where we can exclusively rely on observations from this season alone. We also don’t have enough games played where we can disregard a win chain where maybe a 3-win team upset an 8-win team.
Anyway, the Ducks beat Fresno St. in Week 1. The closeness of that game was actually part of the reason I didn’t rank the Ducks after Week 1, but now that the Bulldogs beat UCLA, who beat LSU by a couple of possessions, the Ducks have two good wins. This increase in rank doesn’t have anything to do with Oregon’s win over Stony Brook last week.
Also, Ohio St. (the other meaningful victim of the Ducks) has improved in status in my view. The Buckeyes are the only team to beat Minnesota, who just beat Colorado by 30. The Buffs played a close game against Texas A&M the week before. Anyway, this not only bolstered my decision to move up Oregon, it also led me to move Ohio St. up and Texas A&M down. I also moved Oklahoma down after another close game against a seemingly mediocre opponent.
Although I didn’t want to punish Liberty or Coastal Carolina for any particular reason, I don’t mind them being the victims of the Buckeyes’ and Ducks’ improvements given Coastal’s close game against Buffalo and Liberty’s close game (in week 2) against Troy. Those were both road games against respectable Group of 5 programs though. I also didn’t want to move Oklahoma down that far, so someone had to get the short end of the stick.
Partly because Georgia Tech lost to Northern Illinois, I also moved Clemson down considerably for its struggles against the Ramblin’ Wreck. In the Tigers’ defense, they did score nearly twice as many points as did the Yellow Jackets; but when that margin is one possession, that’s still a cause for concern. I don’t see this as a contradiction to giving Georgia credit for beating Clemson, but this is another instance of the natural process of changing the focus to this season. Clemson needs good wins to compensate for the loss now, and that wasn’t one. They can’t just point to success over past seasons.
Also, Georgia and Clemson seem to be moving in opposite directions. I’m encouraged by the Bulldogs’ 96 points in the last two games. UAB isn’t great, but the Blazers have won 8 of 12 including last season. Asking Georgia to score any more points than they did would have been wrong, and UAB was held off the scoreboard until the fourth quarter. South Carolina was not a good team last year, but don’t forget that the last time the Gamecocks went to Athens they won. So a solid 27-point win was also about as much as you could ask of the Bulldogs. No need to give South Carolina bulletin-board material for next year.
Again, I hope you’ll forgive my lack of elaboration for the other new and moved teams since I’m trying to keep the size of this combined blog under control. Apart from Wyoming, all of the new teams are also being recognized by the major pollsters.
Wyoming beat both Northern Illinois and Ball St. I mentioned that Northern Illinois beat Georgia Tech, whom Clemson barely beat. I ranked Ball St. in the preseason, and the Cowboys beat the Cardinals by a larger margin than Penn St. did. For all I know, Ball St. may not win another game; but I don’t think they changed much between playing Penn St. and playing Wyoming at the very least. Northern Illinois’s other loss is to Michigan, which I’m also giving credit for starting the season well. It’s only consistent to also include Wyoming at this point. I did rank the Cowboys a couple of spots below the Wolverines, but they had a much closer game against the Huskies than Michigan did. I know they don’t attract the attention of many voters (although someone in the AP put them 25th); but if Wyoming were named Notre Dame with the same resume they do now, they’d probably be in the top 10. I definitely don’t think they’ve done anything as bad as losing to Fresno St. They haven’t beaten LSU either, but we don’t really know what that means yet. Doubt should be resolved in favor of the undefeated team, at least in September.
rank team last
1 Alabama 1
2 Georgia 2
3 Iowa 3
4 Penn St. 4
5 Oregon 13
6 Cincinnati 6
7 Florida 8
8 Ohio St. 14
9 B. Young 11
10 Clemson 5
11 Oklahoma 7
12 Liberty 9
13 Coastal Car. 10
14 Texas A&M 12
15 Notre Dame 15
16 Oklahoma St. 16
17 Arkansas 21
18 Iowa St. 22
19 Texas 25
20 Ole Miss —
21 Fresno St. —
22 Michigan —
23 Michigan St. —
24 Wyoming —
25 UCLA 19
Out of rankings: (17) U. Miami, (18) Indiana, (20) Virginia Tech, (23) Ball St., (24) Central Florida
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Week 1 Reaction and Top 25 2023
In College Football, General LSU, History, Me, Post-game, Rankings, Rankings Commentary on September 9, 2023 at 4:11 AMSince the last blog…
Sometimes long weekends are the worst scenario. It was basically Wednesday by the time I was able to review some of the things that went wrong during the LSU game. If I had waited to review all of them, I might have never written another blog. Obviously I’m not a beat reporter in Baton Rouge, so I rely on public statements and coverage from the people who are based around the program. That process was delayed by a day or more given that the game took place on Sunday night. I did have Friday the 1st off, but nothing had happened yet. I had decided to go out of town to a baseball game on Saturday, so I couldn’t write live reactions about the teams who played on Saturday.
On Sunday, I barely made it back in time for the game, and then Mondays are workdays for me whether I go into work or not. My bosses check to make sure I’ve made enough progress on Tuesday mornings, and I have the type of job where I always have to spend time preparing for the next day the night before anyway. Unfortunately, I don’t just clock in and clock out without having to think about it until I clock in again.
LSU-Florida St. Reaction and Historical Comparisons
Anyway, I do feel a little good right now that at least I didn’t pick LSU to win the SEC West or make the playoff. I’m not throwing in the towel though. There have been teams with rough starts who ended up doing well in the SEC, but it’s pretty rare to be one of the top teams nationally. Ohio St. got run out of their own stadium against Virginia Tech in the first week of September 2014 before winning the first College Football Playoff, but that’s kind of the exception that proves the rule.
Also, the Buckeyes had two months before they had to play a major-conference opponent who would finish with 9 wins or more. That was a long time to fix the issues in the Virginia Tech game, and there was even a close call against a Penn St. team (which would finish 7-6) in the interim. I think LSU has a lot less time. Mississippi St., LSU’s opponent a week from today, will win 9 games or more.
A couple of years before that, Georgia got blown out by South Carolina, 35-7. in early October but came just a couple of yards short of beating Alabama to win the SEC and make the BCS championship game (which they most likely would have won given how easily the Tide handled Notre Dame). I think that’s a more realistic example for LSU to hope to follow (possibly making the SEC title game and playing better than last year). Georgia of course had to overcome that game to win the East whereas LSU’s loss to Florida St. does not count in the SEC standings. Unlike the Ohio St. example, the Bulldogs’ next big game (in hindsight and at the time) was just a couple of games later against Florida, who would finish 11-2. The only bad thing about following that Georgia example would be having to wait another 10 years to actually win a national championship.
I’ll update the Florida St. rivalry blog another time, but it’s just crazy how cursed LSU seems to be in the series. Of course, I still think LSU would have done quite well if they had played the Seminoles annually from about 2001 to 2019 (minus a couple of losses to Jameis, I suppose).
Thoughts on Brian Kelly
I said I’m not throwing in the towel on this season. I’m also not throwing in the towel on Brian Kelly. This was Kelly’s 15th game. Ed Orgeron lost to Troy in his 13th game in charge (two weeks after a 30-point loss at Mississippi St. that I still argue was worse). Les Miles lost his 12th game by 20 to a Georgia team that finished 10-3. Say what you will about Miles and Orgeron after the respective national championships, but no one was whining about it taking too long to get there at the end of 2007 (Miles’ third year) or 2019 (Orgeron’s third full year) seasons. By the way, 2014 was Urban Meyer’s third year at Ohio St., and Nick Saban didn’t win his first at Alabama until his third year (he had taken four years to win one at LSU). So even if it’s safe to assume a national championship is off the table already, I never thought it was a highly realistic goal for this year anyway.
Kelly can be a smooth talker, so I don’t always hold too much stock in his press conferences and whatnot, but I liked his rant at the end of his week-opening press conference. I disagree somewhat with faulting the enthusiasm gap, but I think it was a good message to put out there, and it showed he took onboard many of the issues fans and media pointed out.
I tried to clean up some of the grammar. He usually speaks better than that, but I’ll forgive it. I’ll accept some grammatical hiccups in exchange for his not sounding like a politician sometimes.
Other Results and Reactions
At least Kelly has been overshadowed somewhat by the hysterics about Dabo after Clemson’s loss to Duke. My prediction of those Tigers being the team to beat in the ACC isn’t looking too good right now. But that 2014 Virginia Tech team was in the ACC and ended up losing 6 games, 5 of them in conference, so we shouldn’t rush to any conclusions about that conference either. Even if Clemson continues to disappoint, I might still be right that the ACC champion will have a good shot at the Playoff though.
If I were a betting man (sports betting is still illegal where I live anyway), I would have taken Colorado +20.5. Although I did leave TCU ranked, I wasn’t very convinced they were going to be a competitive team this year. Deion performed better than many more experienced coaches in getting a bunch of transfers and other new players to support each other and have the needed enthusiasm. Whatever happens this season, he definitely did something right in preparing for Week 1.
I don’t believe in making drastic changes after one week unless necessary, so I’m not dropping LSU and Clemson from the top 25. TCU was low enough that they will drop out though. I don’t really have the time and energy to re-work the whole thing even if I wanted to. I don’t really have a long list of teams that were just outside of the top 25 either.
I also wanted to put some of the conference talk into perspective. South Carolina has a much lower status in the SEC than North Carolina has in the ACC. The Tar Heels were the ACC runners-up in 2015 and 2022 and represented the conference in the post-2020 Orange Bowl. They would have been #2 in the conference had Notre Dame not temporarily joined. The Gamecocks have only made one SEC championship game, and that was back in 2010. They have only won 8 games or more twice since the 2013 season.
Florida is obviously a more successful program in the big picture than Utah is, but the Gators lost 5 SEC games (and two other games) last season and 6 the season before, going 6-7 overall both seasons. Utah went 10-4 in each of the last two seasons, winning the Pac-12 both years. I know Florida beat Utah anyway last year, but you can’t expect the SEC to win every game like that.
LSU-Florida St. was the only game of the three that was an apples-to-apples comparison.
It is interesting that the Pac-12 is disintegrating at the same the conference had the most successful Week 1; but other than Colorado, nothing is too impressive based on recent seasons.
I considered ranking Purdue in preseason, and Fresno St. beat the Boilermakers on the road. I thought it was good to make sure one team from outside of the major conferences (and Notre Dame) was included. I also considered Wyoming, which beat Texas Tech; but the Cowboys rarely sustain their early-season successes whereas Fresno St. is often one of the top teams in the Mountain West. I also take overtime wins with more of a grain of salt.
Top 25
Out of Top 25: (17) TCU, (19) S. Carolina, (22) Boise St., (25) Texas Tech