As for my top 25 commentary, I was slightly off in my prediction (here) that Clemson would overtake Notre Dame. I forgot to account for the ACC losses to the SEC. It makes it worse that Louisville and Florida St. are both in the ACC Atlantic. Clemson will move ahead next week in the unweighted ratings for sure;but I think in the lead up to the Playoff, the weighted ratings are more useful. I’m less confident there.
Before I start talking about bowl possibilities, I did want to comment briefly about the bottom of my top 25.Texas and Fresno St. are subjectively good enough at the moment to be included as ranked teams. They’re just two weird teams that look good in one system but not in the other. But if as expected they both lose in championship games, I won’t feel bad about leaving them out of the final top 25 before the bowl games. If they win, I think they’ll be rewarded fairly. I just thought the fairest solution was to publish a top 25 this week that was completely objective.
LSU did fall a spot in the unweighted ratings,but they were actually sixth in the weighted ratings before the supposed loss to Texas A&M (see the link at the beginning for more about that). Even if that were a legitimate loss, LSU should still be considered the #3 team in the SEC. I’ll explain why, but given the CFP rankings it may not matter who is ranked higher. Florida and Kentucky didn’t play Alabama, and Texas A&M didn’t play Georgia. I think being the only team of the four to play both divisional champions makes your conference record better if it’s a tie. I think the following chart demonstrates my point better than my explanation. I’ll explain below the charts why Kentucky shouldn’t merit consideration (unless you’re fixated on head-to-head and like to ignore the other 92% of the season).
Not to mention that Texas A&M has a non-conference loss. I know it’s to a good team, but decisive wins over Georgia and U. Miami are better than a win over Kentucky in overtime and a loss to Clemson. A questionable loss, but the Aggies don’t want to go down that road. Non-conference losses count in bowl game consideration. You’re just lying to yourself if you don’t think Florida would have gotten better bowl games (including at least one Sugar Bowl appearance) had they not lost to Florida St. the past few seasons, for instance. See the following for a chart of games that weren’t against the top 5 of the SEC.
As for this season, Florida did beat LSU on October 6 but since then the Gators struggled at Vanderbilt before losing to Missouri and Georgia. They haven’t really redeemed themselves from those performances in which they lost by a combined 40 points. The Gators only have a 4-point win over South Carolina (who is now 6-5) and wins over FCS Idaho (their second FCS opponent of the year) and a frankly sorry Florida St.team. Good thing for Jimbo that he bailed, but that’s another story. Also, if want to say Florida goes ahead of LSU because of head to head despite the schedule, you’d better give a better bowl game to Kentucky than you give to Florida. I know they don’t have the chomp thing, the annoying song after the game,and that stupid jingle when they make a first down; and their fans don’t travel as well (especially not in the midst of basketball season), but be consistent if you’re going to go with that argument.
Obviously, I’m not making that argument about Kentucky though. I’m surprised the Wildcats are so far ahead of Texas A&M in the CFP rankings, but I guess they are a lot more interested in body of work than who the hot teams are. Suffice it to say Kentucky’s only win in the last month over a bowl-eligible team is the win over Middle Tennessee by 11. The Wildcats have also lost to a bowl –ineligible team (Tennessee) in that time.
You could say LSU hasn’t redeemed themselves from the Alabama loss, but I don’t think they need to in the same way. The Sugar, Peach, or Fiesta won’t involve playing Alabama, at least not unless Alabama loses in embarrassing fashion on Saturday (but for that a much different team from the one that showed up in Baton Rouge will have to be playing in Atlanta). Those bowls might involve playing a team as good as Missouri or Texas A&M. I know the loss-is-a-loss theory, it’s what my computer is mostly based on; but I think any bowl would love to have a 7-overtime 146-point game between good teams like the one in College Station on Saturday. They don’t need the SEC team to win. Think of the commercial revenue and the many highlights and references to that bowl over the years. No bowl wants to see a team that plays 21 points poorer than Missouri though. If it’s against a team even better than these three SEC teams, only one team of the three has beaten a team in the CFP top 8 (top 8 is significant because it’s higher than the three teams I’m focusing on).
I think even if Georgia beats Alabama the Sugar doesn’t want LSU because LSU fans don’t buy as many hotel rooms and go to expensive restaurants over a few days like Florida fans might. If you’re a conspiracy theorist ,this alone was a reason to fix the game in favor of the Aggies.
I suspect the Peach will prefer Florida for geographical reasons whether the Gators were 9th or 10th. The Fiesta is an even longer way away from Baton Rouge than the Peach. I know only two states separate Arizona and Louisiana, but I promise you that trip is no leisurely stroll. I do think more fans would travel from Baton Rouge than from Pullman, for instance; but the Fiesta doesn’t seem to like to have two teams from east of the Mississippi unless one of them is Notre Dame. Except for the 2016 Clemson-Ohio St. national semifinal and the Notre Dame-Ohio St. games (2005 and 2015 seasons), you have to go back to the 1991 season to find a Fiesta Bowl that did not involve a team from West of the Mississippi (and six Fiesta Bowls since 2001 involved two from West of the Mississippi).
Maybe the fact that the LSU campus is right next to the Mississippi is good enough, but I don’t know. It is a good sign that LSU is several spots ahead of Washington St. and is also ahead of some other possibilities (such as Penn St. and Texas A&M). It will be interesting to see what happens if LSU is not in a CFP Bowl. Although LSU has been to the Citrus the past two seasons, I guess it’s possible they could go there again. It’s also possible the Citrus would pick Kentucky, who is far ahead of the Aggies in the CFP rankings.
I’m going to give my major-bowl projections as of right now as well as how I would expect the CFP to decide the bowls. I think one mistake people make in bowl projections is they act like the season literally ends right now. So for instance, undefeated Alabama and one-loss Georgia are bowl teams. If there were no SEC championship game, it’s no question that both teams should be in the top 4, but the only logical way to put Georgia in the top 4 is if you think they’re going to beat Alabama. So I am going to factor in the expected results of the games on Saturday.
I think I’ll be in agreement with what I expect the CFP will do. I have Ohio St. ahead of Oklahoma right now because beating Michigan and Penn St. are both better than anything Oklahoma has done, but I think Oklahoma redeeming their only loss would do a lot more for their argument than Ohio St. beating Northwestern would. Oklahoma will certainly be higher in my unweighted system. We’ll have to see what happens in the weighted one. We do have a different committee now, so maybe they look at things slightly differently from the one last year.
Cotton: Alabama vs. Oklahoma
Orange: Clemson vs. Notre Dame
Sugar: Georgia vs. Texas
Rose: Washington vs. Ohio St.
Peach: Florida vs. UCF
Fiesta: LSU vs. Michigan
It’s fairly straightforward to figure out what happens if one of Clemson, Oklahoma, and Ohio St. are upset. Instead of a choice between 5 teams for 4 spots, all 4 competitive teams make it. If Clemson were the one to lose, I would expect them against UCF in the Peach Bowl. Georgia would be in the Sugar Bowl, so only one SEC team (I guess Florida) would be left for the Fiesta Bowl. I wouldn’t like it, but TCU had the better resume a few years ago; and they lost out to Baylor due to head-to-head even though it was a close game. If Oklahoma is the team to lose, they would bump LSU from the Fiesta Bowl. If Ohio St. is the team to lose, my guess is they bump Florida from the Peach and Florida bumps LSU from the Fiesta.
If two of them lose, it would then be easy for LSU to find a spot again because I think Georgia would make the semifinal even with two losses, and the Sugar Bowl would be available to the top SEC team(apparently Florida).
If Washington were to lose, you just replace them with Utah. If UCF were to lose, replace them with Boise St. If Boise St. also loses, my guess would be UCF keeps its spot.
If Georgia beats Alabama, I think both Georgia and Alabama would be in the top 4 again, so I’ll make full projections for that scenario since it would be a lot of changes.
Orange: Clemson vs. Alabama
Cotton: Notre Dame vs. Georgia
Sugar: Florida (though I would switch LSU andFlorida as explained) vs. Oklahoma
Rose: Washington vs. Ohio St.
Fiesta: Washington St. vs. Michigan
Peach: LSU vs. UCF
This time if Ohio St., Clemson or Oklahoma were to lose, I think Washington St. would get bumped and LSU would stay. Unless it’s Oklahoma, I would guess LSU would go to the Fiesta. If it were Oklahoma, I think the Sooners go out West and LSU stays in the Peach. The same thing as before applies to Washington’s spot in the Rose. If Boise St. were to replace UCF, I would guess the Broncos would play Washington St. (or Oklahoma) while Michigan/LSU would be moved to Atlanta. Take the over in that Fiesta Bowl if it happens.
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Championship Saturday Viewing Guide & Bowl Speculation
In Bowls, College Football, College Football Playoff, General LSU, Preview, Rankings Commentary on November 30, 2018 at 4:24 PMI was trying to get something out timely earlier in the week without being too convoluted, but I may have lost some people in the discussion of some of the various outcomes, so that’s what I want to focus on here. Except for a few comments toward the end, I’m not talking about how things should be or who’s going to win, but I want to let people know teams to support depending on cheering interest.
BASICS
The top 4 teams will play in the Cotton and Orange Bowls. The semifinal bowls and the other bowls that are part of the rotation and affiliated with the CFP committee are called the NY6 for New Year’s Six. Don’t get fixated on that name either though. There are New Years Day bowls that are not those bowls, and all of those bowls won’t be on New Years Day. The name just refers to the six bowls that are part of the CFP process and therefore part of the semifinal rotation.
Champions of the SEC, ACC, Big XII, Pac-12, and Big Ten MUST be in NY6 bowls as must the best team from some other conference(most likely Central Florida).
The Sugar Bowl will be Big XII vs. SEC, and the Rose will be Pac-12 vs. Big Ten. It appears that the Pac-12 representative will be the champion in the Rose Bowl and not anyone else in the other bowls, although there may be a route for Washington St. as discussed in the last blog.
Why does this matter? The most likely visible result would be that even if they lose and even if they’re ranked well below other candidates for at-large spots, Texas is most likely going to the Sugar Bowl (I think the only way this won’t happen is if Georgia, Clemson, and Oklahoma all win). Champions take precedence though. So even if Michigan and Ohio St. are both higher-ranked Big Ten teams, Northwestern would be in the Rose Bowl by winning. Likewise, even if Oklahoma is ranked higher than Texas, the Longhorns will be in the Sugar Bowl if they win the championship over the Sooners. The SEC champion will be in the top 4 no matter what though and therefore not in the Sugar Bowl.
When it comes to following the games, the first thing to note is the games on Friday don’t really matter to anyone but fans of those playing. Whether it’s Utah or Washington, the winner of the Pac-12 championship will go to the Rose Bowl and the loser will go to a non-NY6 bowl. Whether it’s Buffalo or Northern Illinois, both the winner and the loser of the MAC championship will be in non-NY6 bowls.
One other thing to note: since I wrote this,Central Florida has emerged as the popular pick to play in the Fiesta. I don’t know if the media is responding to some inside tip with that, but basically the Fiesta and Peach Bowl teams are interchangeable anyway.
WHAT TO HOPE FOR BY CHEERING INTEREST
Most fans who will be affected at all by this weekend want their school to win and their conference to make the top 4 if that’s relevant, but there are a couple of fan bases worth elaborating upon.
SEC/LSU fans
I touched on this in the last blog, but basically if you’re in the SEC and not an Alabama fan or don’t have some weird regional interest (such as you’re a Florida fan who lives in Atlanta and don’t want to travel), you want Georgia to upset Alabama and you DON’T want Clemson or Ohio St. to be upset (possibly wanting Urban Meyer to lose notwithstanding). This would free up the Sugar Bowl for a third SEC team and allow other SEC teams to compete for other open slots. If Alabama wins, the Bulldogs will most likely take the SEC Sugar Bowl spot, but without another upset, there could still be third and fourth SEC teams in NY6 bowls.
The Oklahoma/Texas outcome probably (I’ll explain the situations below) won’t affect the SEC teams, so feel free to cheer for whichever you dislike less, although the outcome may influence for whom to cheer later.
No matter what happens, teams that are 9th and 10th with 3 losses (LSU and Florida) aren’t going to end up in the top 4, so even a series of upsets like in 2007 won’t put a team other than Alabama and Georgia in the top 4.
Georgia is currently in the top 4, but there is a strong likelihood that Oklahoma and/or Ohio St. winning this weekend would displace them after a Bulldog loss to Alabama.
I’ll explain why the upsets would hurt SEC teams. The teams other than Alabama and Georgia are hoping to be in the “New Years 6 (NY6) but not top 4”category. The SEC wants as few other teams to be in this category as possible. An upset by Pittsburgh, for instance, would put Pittsburgh in this category. Same thing for Northwestern. As I already explained, a potential Texas upset by itself is not going to change anything for the SEC (though it would take the Sooners out of consideration for the top 4).
So let’s say Alabama beats Georgia, Oklahoma beats Texas, Clemson beats Pitt, and Northwestern beats Ohio St.
The following teams would all be in NY6 bowls:Central Florida, Clemson, Ohio St., Northwestern, Washington, Texas, Georgia and Michigan. There would only be room for one other SEC team (probably Florida) in the Sugar, Fiesta, Rose, and Peach Bowls.
Don’t quote me on these bowl picks (the Fiesta Bowl teams are interchangeable under the rules with the Peach Bowl teams, but the Sugar and Rose have fixed conference match-ups), but just to show why there would be no room for a second team…
Cotton: Alabama vs. Oklahoma
Orange: Notre Dame vs. Clemson
Sugar: Georgia vs. Texas
Peach: Florida vs. Ohio St.
Rose: Washington vs. Northwestern
Fiesta: Michigan vs. Central Florida
If the one upset is Texas over Oklahoma, it wouldn’t hurt the SEC since Texas would stay in place and no additional teams would be added to the mix:
Cotton: Alabama vs. Ohio St.
Orange: Notre Dame vs. Clemson
Sugar: Georgia vs. Texas
Peach: Florida vs. Central Florida
Rose: Washington vs. Michigan
Fiesta: LSU vs. Oklahoma
If Northwestern beats Ohio St. and other favorites win, something like this would happen, removing LSU’s chance:
Cotton: Alabama vs. Georgia
Orange: Notre Dame vs. Clemson
Sugar: Florida vs. Texas
Rose: Washington vs. Northwestern
Fiesta: Michigan vs. Oklahoma
Peach: Ohio St. vs. Central Florida
If Pittsburgh beats Clemson and other favorites win, something like this would happen, removing LSU’s chance:
Cotton: Alabama vs. Ohio St.
Orange: Notre Dame vs. Oklahoma
Sugar: Georgia vs. Texas
Rose: Washington vs. Michigan
Fiesta: Michigan vs. Pittsburgh
Peach: Clemson vs. Central Florida
If both Pitt upsets Clemson and Northwestern upsets Ohio St.:
Cotton: Alabama vs. Georgia
Orange: Notre Dame vs. Oklahoma
Sugar: Florida vs. Texas
Rose: Washington vs. Northwestern
Fiesta: Pitt vs. Ohio St.
Peach: Clemson vs. Central Florida
The takeaway is that any of these would eliminate the second SEC team (most likely LSU) outside of the top 4.
Big Ten/Michigan
It’s more nuanced what Michigan fans should before. As shown above, on the one hand, the right combination of upsets could put the Wolverines in the Rose Bowl. On the other hand, the wrong combination of upsets could see the Wolverines in the Citrus Bowl or similar.
Michigan fans could also be cheering for the long-shot chance of making the top 4, which would involve Ohio St., Clemson, and Oklahoma all getting upset. Clemson with one loss could be ahead of the Wolverines with two losses, but one loss to an unranked team is arguably worse than two losses to top 10 teams (Notre Dame and Ohio St.). Since Oklahoma plays first inthat group, those who support Michigan should consult the scenarios above for beneficial upsets.
Michigan in the top 4 would look like this:
Cotton: Alabama vs. Michigan
Orange: Notre Dame vs. Georgia
Sugar: Florida vs. Texas
Rose: Washington vs. Northwestern
Fiesta: Pitt vs. Oklahoma
Peach: Clemson vs. Central Florida
For generic Big Ten fans, it’s a lot simpler. If Oklahoma beats Texas in the early game on Saturday, the best thing for the Big Ten is for Northwestern to win. I believe Ohio St. will be in an NY6 bowl regardless, so if I’m right there will likely be three Big Ten teams in the NY6 bowls this way.
If Texas wins, it may be more important to cheer for Ohio St. in the hopes the Buckeyes make the semifinal than it is to hope for three Big Ten teams to be in NY6 bowls, but that would be personal preference.
LSU ADVOCACY AND OTHER NOTES
Some fans of other schools seem upset that if LSUis apparently in line for an NY6 bowl, the Tigers aren’t really being punished for the loss. LSU was going to be in the Sugar Bowl provided Georgia made the top 4, but that doesn’t seem to be the case now. The next in line for the Sugar seems to be Florida. I’ve covered a few scenarios above where LSU doesn’t get any NY6 bowl.
A number of bowl projections have LSU being left out of the NY6 bowls even if nothing weird happens, and some even have the Tigers falling all the way to the Outback Bowl (since I imagine the Citrus doesn’t want LSU for the third year in a row).
I don’t know how other than geography you would justify Washington St. going ahead of LSU, but maybe the rankings will be ignored. Other than the questionable A&M loss (the Aggies are now #19 in the CFP rankings), the Tigers’ other two losses have come to top-10 teams. LSU also has a win over Georgia, better than any team the Cougars have played much less beaten. Washington St.has beaten three of the four other teams in the Pac-12 North with winning records (none with a better record than 8-4), but Wazzu has a loss to 5-7 USC. Washington St. has 4 wins against teams with winning records, while LSU has 5. The Cougars also lost to in-state rival Washington. Although the Huskies may be the Pac-12 champions, it’s important to remember they lost to Auburn, who’s in the middle of the SEC on a good day (and who lost at home to LSU).
If Boise St. wins the Mountain West and Central Florida loses the American championship, it’s possible Boise St. could make it ahead of Central Florida. In that case,the Broncos would probably play in the Fiesta Bowl; but as I explained earlier,Central Florida might be slotted for the Fiesta Bowl anyway, so in that case no other team would be affected.
I already talked about the potential impact of Georgia beating Alabama, so I didn’t include that here. I think it would create a Big XII-champions. Florida Sugar Bowl, a Big Ten champion vs. Pac-12 champion Rose Bowl, and the other teams would depend upon who else wins.
CONCLUSION
The simplest way to sum all of this up that I can think of is as follows. The following teams are in NY6 bowls almost no matter what: Alabama, Notre Dame,Clemson, Georgia, Oklahoma, Ohio St., Michigan, and Florida. Washington, Utah, Pittsburgh, Northwestern,Texas, and Central Florida are in with wins. LSU and possibly Washington St. or Penn St. could get in (Penn St. being the least likely of the three); but since none are playing, they’re dependent on the right combination of other teams to win.