I don’t have that much to say about the LSU game itself. I thought they would lose by single digits if they had a good day, and they basically would have lost by three if you take out two disastrous plays (and leave everything else the same): a blocked field goal from fairly close range that was returned for a touchdown, at least partly because all but a couple of players on the field forgot the rules (a 10-point swing), and an interception deep in LSU territory that resulted from a ball that was falling to the ground that hit an LSU helmet instead (this set up a fairly easy touchdown drive).
I’m not surprised that Alabama and Tennessee went ahead of LSU in bowl consideration given that they each only have two losses. I would argue if LSU had beaten Texas A&M, but my guess is that didn’t matter either. Rightly or wrongly (obviously wrongly in my view), Alabama was seen as the best SEC team after Georgia; and Tennessee’s win over LSU would have been a tie-breaker for a New Year’s Six bowl even if one didn’t punish LSU for the extra loss.
LSU is a superior team to Purdue, but sometimes it can be hard to be enthusiastic about playing such a game. I think the Boilermakers will be relatively excited to play in the game and probably would be to play in any bowl.
I do think Tennessee should have gone to the Sugar Bowl, but I guess we didn’t need another game between Alabama and Clemson to take place in the Orange Bowl. All the other New Year’s Six Bowls were fairly obvious match-ups according to the guidelines. USC vs. Tulane in the Cotton especially made sense as the two westernmost teams not bound to the Rose Bowl. They will play one another in a bowl for the first time since the Trojans won the Rose Bowl after the 1931 season. That game might have helped inspire the creation of the Sugar Bowl a few years later. USC and Tulane also split a home-and-home in the 1940s.
I had said Friday that Ohio St. should move up if another team fell out of the top four. I didn’t realize that TCU and USC were far enough ahead of Tennessee and Alabama that they could afford a loss and stay in the top five. Actually, my first draft of the ratings had USC ahead of Ohio St.; but then I realized that somehow Utah was being counted as a better opponent than they were. Not to bore the reader with the details, but I try not to penalize teams as much for losing a close game on the road, but that wasn’t meant to treat the winner as one of the top teams in the country as the weighted ratings do if not corrected.
The Trojans did beat one more top-25 team than Tennessee did. It hurt the Vols that LSU lost in a way because now the Tigers are not in the highest classification of the weighted ratings. Had LSU won, Georgia would not have fallen out of that classification (which right now is the top 8 teams). In the bigger picture, USC beat 8 Pac-12 teams and Notre Dame whereas Tennessee only beat 6 SEC teams and Pitt. You can think the former is more impressive while still having the SEC as the best conference.
I’ve written about Clemson playing a deceptive number of quality opponents, so that’s why they’re ahead of Alabama. The Tigers only beat one top 25 team (the same number Alabama has beaten), but they’ve beaten five other teams in the top 42 to Alabama’s one. Illinois is #39 and was a missed field goal from beating Michigan, and #37 Pitt took Tennessee to overtime, so I’m not talking about opponents that anyone can take for granted. (For an even better example, Florida is #51 and beat Utah.). Alabama does have better losses, but that doesn’t make up for that volume of decent wins.
I think it’s appropriate that the respective Big XII and Pac-12 champions round out the top 10. I don’t think Tulane, Troy, and UTSA would beat many of the 5 to 10 teams immediately below them, but I don’t mind that in my system teams like that are in the top 20 as long as they’re not in position for the Playoff. I’m glad not to be in New Orleans to hear from the Tulane fans who don’t know anything about national college football listing all the SEC teams they’d beat with their one good team in a generation though. I have mixed feelings about Troy playing UTSA in the Cure Bowl. On the one hand, it’s good that they’re both playing a ranked team; but on the other hand, I wonder how they would do against one of the lower Power-5 bowl teams.
I know the Playoff is going to expand to 12 teams, but one or two of those teams being non-Power-5 champions is fine with me. I will want most Power 5 teams to be eliminated with three or four losses. This isn’t the NFL; I’m not willing to take a team seriously as the potential national champion if they lost 1/3 or more of their regular-season games.
I don’t like Oregon being ahead of Oregon St. even though I do think the Ducks have been the better team overall this year. USC didn’t beat Oregon (both “civil war” teams played Utah), so it doesn’t hurt Oregon for the Trojans to lose. USC did beat Oregon St. It also helps that Oregon’s best non-conference opponent solidified its claim as the best team in the country. Oregon St. played Boise and Fresno, and neither is as good as LSU anyway, so there wasn’t as much of a gain there (there was a slight improvement to strength of schedule though).
My formula did put the Egg Bowl rivalry in the “correct” order (according to head-to-head results) though, with Mississippi St. at #25 and Ole Miss at #26. Of course, it helps that Mississippi St. played Georgia instead of Vanderbilt (all the other conference opponents were the same, and the two teams have the same record).
Some teams moved up or down more than they normally would given how many teams didn’t play. I hadn’t worked on the weighted formula in a few years and it was still new before COVID, so there were still some kinks to iron out. Given that most of the changes still made sense given the results and there was no turnover in the top 25, I don’t think I changed anything too abruptly.
I’ve updated the ratings after the Army-Navy game before, but this year I’ll just treat is as a bowl game since neither will play an actual bowl game.
Rank | Team | Last |
1 | Georgia | 1 |
2 | Michigan | 2 |
3 | Texas Christian | 3 |
4 | Ohio St. | 5 |
5 | USC | 4 |
6 | Tennessee | 6 |
7 | Clemson | 9 |
8 | Alabama | 7 |
9 | Kansas St. | 15 |
10 | Utah | 14 |
11 | Penn St. | 8 |
12 | Tulane | 17 |
13 | LSU | 10 |
14 | Troy | 22 |
15 | Texas | 12 |
16 | Oregon | 13 |
17 | Oregon St. | 11 |
18 | TX-San Antonio | 25 |
19 | Florida St. | 18 |
20 | Washington | 20 |
21 | UCLA | 16 |
22 | Boise St. | 19 |
23 | S Carolina | 23 |
24 | Notre Dame | 21 |
25 | Mississippi St. | 24 |
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Week 1 Reaction and Top 25 2023
In College Football, General LSU, History, Me, Post-game, Rankings, Rankings Commentary on September 9, 2023 at 4:11 AMSince the last blog…
Sometimes long weekends are the worst scenario. It was basically Wednesday by the time I was able to review some of the things that went wrong during the LSU game. If I had waited to review all of them, I might have never written another blog. Obviously I’m not a beat reporter in Baton Rouge, so I rely on public statements and coverage from the people who are based around the program. That process was delayed by a day or more given that the game took place on Sunday night. I did have Friday the 1st off, but nothing had happened yet. I had decided to go out of town to a baseball game on Saturday, so I couldn’t write live reactions about the teams who played on Saturday.
On Sunday, I barely made it back in time for the game, and then Mondays are workdays for me whether I go into work or not. My bosses check to make sure I’ve made enough progress on Tuesday mornings, and I have the type of job where I always have to spend time preparing for the next day the night before anyway. Unfortunately, I don’t just clock in and clock out without having to think about it until I clock in again.
LSU-Florida St. Reaction and Historical Comparisons
Anyway, I do feel a little good right now that at least I didn’t pick LSU to win the SEC West or make the playoff. I’m not throwing in the towel though. There have been teams with rough starts who ended up doing well in the SEC, but it’s pretty rare to be one of the top teams nationally. Ohio St. got run out of their own stadium against Virginia Tech in the first week of September 2014 before winning the first College Football Playoff, but that’s kind of the exception that proves the rule.
Also, the Buckeyes had two months before they had to play a major-conference opponent who would finish with 9 wins or more. That was a long time to fix the issues in the Virginia Tech game, and there was even a close call against a Penn St. team (which would finish 7-6) in the interim. I think LSU has a lot less time. Mississippi St., LSU’s opponent a week from today, will win 9 games or more.
A couple of years before that, Georgia got blown out by South Carolina, 35-7. in early October but came just a couple of yards short of beating Alabama to win the SEC and make the BCS championship game (which they most likely would have won given how easily the Tide handled Notre Dame). I think that’s a more realistic example for LSU to hope to follow (possibly making the SEC title game and playing better than last year). Georgia of course had to overcome that game to win the East whereas LSU’s loss to Florida St. does not count in the SEC standings. Unlike the Ohio St. example, the Bulldogs’ next big game (in hindsight and at the time) was just a couple of games later against Florida, who would finish 11-2. The only bad thing about following that Georgia example would be having to wait another 10 years to actually win a national championship.
I’ll update the Florida St. rivalry blog another time, but it’s just crazy how cursed LSU seems to be in the series. Of course, I still think LSU would have done quite well if they had played the Seminoles annually from about 2001 to 2019 (minus a couple of losses to Jameis, I suppose).
Thoughts on Brian Kelly
I said I’m not throwing in the towel on this season. I’m also not throwing in the towel on Brian Kelly. This was Kelly’s 15th game. Ed Orgeron lost to Troy in his 13th game in charge (two weeks after a 30-point loss at Mississippi St. that I still argue was worse). Les Miles lost his 12th game by 20 to a Georgia team that finished 10-3. Say what you will about Miles and Orgeron after the respective national championships, but no one was whining about it taking too long to get there at the end of 2007 (Miles’ third year) or 2019 (Orgeron’s third full year) seasons. By the way, 2014 was Urban Meyer’s third year at Ohio St., and Nick Saban didn’t win his first at Alabama until his third year (he had taken four years to win one at LSU). So even if it’s safe to assume a national championship is off the table already, I never thought it was a highly realistic goal for this year anyway.
Kelly can be a smooth talker, so I don’t always hold too much stock in his press conferences and whatnot, but I liked his rant at the end of his week-opening press conference. I disagree somewhat with faulting the enthusiasm gap, but I think it was a good message to put out there, and it showed he took onboard many of the issues fans and media pointed out.
I tried to clean up some of the grammar. He usually speaks better than that, but I’ll forgive it. I’ll accept some grammatical hiccups in exchange for his not sounding like a politician sometimes.
Other Results and Reactions
At least Kelly has been overshadowed somewhat by the hysterics about Dabo after Clemson’s loss to Duke. My prediction of those Tigers being the team to beat in the ACC isn’t looking too good right now. But that 2014 Virginia Tech team was in the ACC and ended up losing 6 games, 5 of them in conference, so we shouldn’t rush to any conclusions about that conference either. Even if Clemson continues to disappoint, I might still be right that the ACC champion will have a good shot at the Playoff though.
If I were a betting man (sports betting is still illegal where I live anyway), I would have taken Colorado +20.5. Although I did leave TCU ranked, I wasn’t very convinced they were going to be a competitive team this year. Deion performed better than many more experienced coaches in getting a bunch of transfers and other new players to support each other and have the needed enthusiasm. Whatever happens this season, he definitely did something right in preparing for Week 1.
I don’t believe in making drastic changes after one week unless necessary, so I’m not dropping LSU and Clemson from the top 25. TCU was low enough that they will drop out though. I don’t really have the time and energy to re-work the whole thing even if I wanted to. I don’t really have a long list of teams that were just outside of the top 25 either.
I also wanted to put some of the conference talk into perspective. South Carolina has a much lower status in the SEC than North Carolina has in the ACC. The Tar Heels were the ACC runners-up in 2015 and 2022 and represented the conference in the post-2020 Orange Bowl. They would have been #2 in the conference had Notre Dame not temporarily joined. The Gamecocks have only made one SEC championship game, and that was back in 2010. They have only won 8 games or more twice since the 2013 season.
Florida is obviously a more successful program in the big picture than Utah is, but the Gators lost 5 SEC games (and two other games) last season and 6 the season before, going 6-7 overall both seasons. Utah went 10-4 in each of the last two seasons, winning the Pac-12 both years. I know Florida beat Utah anyway last year, but you can’t expect the SEC to win every game like that.
LSU-Florida St. was the only game of the three that was an apples-to-apples comparison.
It is interesting that the Pac-12 is disintegrating at the same the conference had the most successful Week 1; but other than Colorado, nothing is too impressive based on recent seasons.
I considered ranking Purdue in preseason, and Fresno St. beat the Boilermakers on the road. I thought it was good to make sure one team from outside of the major conferences (and Notre Dame) was included. I also considered Wyoming, which beat Texas Tech; but the Cowboys rarely sustain their early-season successes whereas Fresno St. is often one of the top teams in the Mountain West. I also take overtime wins with more of a grain of salt.
Top 25
Out of Top 25: (17) TCU, (19) S. Carolina, (22) Boise St., (25) Texas Tech