Week 9
As I mentioned in the last blog, I was coming back from vacation this week. I was able to get the computer ratings for last week done, but it was too late to write a blog. With the complications of coming back and my other obligations in life, I wasn’t able to feel caught up on work enough to even start working on the ratings (for Week 9) until after 5 on Friday.
I did want to make a couple of comments about last week. I think after Georgia, it was more appropriate to list the best few major undefeated ahead of Notre Dame and Michigan. Michigan had lost to Michigan St., so that part was obvious. I guess the computer was trying to tell me something, but it seemed like a good idea at the time.
This was what I considered to be the top 10 going into Week 10:
1. Georgia
2. Michigan St.
3. Wake Forest
4. Michigan
5. Cincinnati
6. Notre Dame
7. Ohio St.
8. Alabama
9. Oklahoma
10. Oklahoma St.
Wake Forest was already in the top 3 of the computer in Week 8, so I didn’t do anything special there. Michigan St. and Cincinnati were placed ahead of teams they beat. Since Oklahoma didn’t beat any really good teams in a single game AND doesn’t have a series of good wins (and struggled in some of their poorer wins), I didn’t move them ahead of anyone by virtue of being undefeated. By the way, expect Cincinnati to fall down on my list even if they don’t lose.
Michigan St. RB Kenneth Walker III (9) runs through the secondary in the second half in East Lansing on October 30. Walker ran for nearly 200 yards in the game. The Spartans then played Purdue, apparently the worst possible opponent after a big win.
I understand the argument that if two teams are roughly similar, you put the head-to-head winner first. That’s part of the reason why Michigan St. and Cincinnati were ahead of Notre Dame and Michigan. That logic doesn’t apply to Oregon and Ohio St. The computer separated the two by 8 spots (now 9). Losing to a team that’s 7-1 should hurt a lot less than losing to a team that was 3-5 going into Week 10 (and now has a sixth loss), and the quality of wins are also not really close even with Oregon having the one good one. I don’t think there are any other good teams in the Pac-12. “Fair to middling” basically describes the whole conference apart from Oregon and winless Arizona. The rest had between 2 and 5 wins going into the week.
“Why play the game” is a non-argument. As a result of playing the game, Oregon is in the top 20 and Ohio St. is not in the top 5. Why give one week more importance than the other 8? I guess that’s not as simple and cliché, so not as many people will mindlessly repeat it.
Forty percent of the top 50 teams in Week 9 either had a bye or a loss, so there was some turnover as the natural sorting-out process takes place. Also, this was the first week where no team had an extra playing week due to having played in “week zero”, so that helps make the ratings more in line with quality of play. Except for Army, who has an extra playing week after conference championships to make up for two byes so far, all teams had either 8 or 9 playing weeks going into Week 10.
Beyond the top 10 I just followed the same order as the computer had going into this week (meaning Week 10). You can go to the ratings page or just determine what last week’s list looked like with the “previous” column below.
Hopefully the rest of the season and next year will be back to normal. I don’t usually have two full vacations during football season, but they were both a long time in the making. Even though the “15 days to flatten the curve” was nearly 20 months ago, I’m also still feeling a domino effect from that in both personal and work schedules.
Week 10
Moving onto the current week, I know Alabama jumped what might seem like an inordinate number of spots for beating (not very impressively) LSU, but the Tigers are better than Indiana (Michigan’s opponent), Nebraska (Ohio St.’s opponent), and Tulane (Cincinnati’s opponent). Michigan St. and Wake Forest both lost, so that accounts for all 5 spots. With the amount of data we now have as far as wins and losses, how impressive a game was on the field or in the final score doesn’t really matter at this point.
It also helps Alabama that Texas A&M has played well since their meeting with the Tide. The Aggies had another one of the more significant gains after beating Auburn, another team LSU finished one score behind, by the way.
Although Navy isn’t a great opponent either, Notre Dame was a solid enough #2 despite the loss to Cincinnati earlier in the season. I didn’t think it made sense to unconditionally keep Cincinnati ahead based on that one game. It also doesn’t help Cincinnati that Indiana just keeps losing. That was their other big foray into major competition. Nonetheless, I did move the Bearcats up two spots from the computer list to keep them at #5. I suspect that we will see other teams like Alabama pass up both the Irish and the Bearcats anyway.
I also moved up Oklahoma from the computer list. The Sooners had lost a few spots due to the bye week. They have two potentially big opponents for points left though, Baylor and Oklahoma St. I would think that they are likely to beat Baylor, but I wouldn’t bet a house on it.
Usually at this point of the season, I don’t make any changes after the top 10, but I did make an exception at #25. If North Carolina St. is able to beat Wake Forest, they’ll be in easily next week. If not, I don’t like for a team to join the top 25 for the first time just to fall out right away for losing to a higher-rated team.
The Wolfpack are overrated in most rankings because they beat an overrated Clemson team back in September. Clemson plays Wake Forest in two weeks, so we will also see what they and the Demon Deacons are really made of. I think it’s safe to say Clemson isn’t really one of the top 10 teams regardless though (they were ranked #9 before the NC St. game).
Although I did complete the Week 9 computer ratings Friday night and the Week 10 ratings Sunday morning, this blog was delayed because I noticed I had a discrepancies with the records. If you’re interested in the technicalities, I’ll elaborate. If not, feel free to skip to the top 25.
Corrections
The only affected team in or close to any computer top 25s was Oklahoma St., but with the way the formula works, they were affected the least. The week they beat Missouri St., it essentially went down as beating a winless FBS team instead (except without hurting the strength of schedule). Since Missouri St. has six wins within the FCS, they count for more than a winless FBS opponent. The Cowboys gained two spots with the change, but I still preferred to put Michigan and Cincinnati ahead below.
Something similar happened with the Wyoming Cowboys. I had to start with A (Air Force) and go all the way down the alphabet to find that mistake. The good news is I was forced to double check every schedule. I did not double check each of the 600+ games that were played to make sure the right opponent was entered (each team has a number designation and on rare occasions I’ll enter the wrong number), but there is an entry for each win and loss. Since there weren’t any positives to counteract the lost win, those Cowboys lost two spots instead.
So this meant there were two teams with extra losses, Florida St. and Tulane. These were affected more dramatically, but thankfully it was two teams that were not even in the top 95, not to mention the top 25. If I give a team an extra loss but don’t set up my spreadsheet for that loss, it results in a disproportionately large number being subtracted.
Notre Dame played Florida St., and both Cincinnati and Oklahoma have played Tulane, so those three have benefited most from these adjustments among teams that I would say are competing for the Playoff. Notre Dame and Cincinnati benefited even more from the increase in opponents’ opponents’ quality.
I think what happened in Tulane’s case was that I lost track of losses because there were so many. Also, I didn’t catch the missing bye week because the Green Wave had played two games on Thursdays (one before and one after the bye). Tulane went up 9 spots to #116.
In Florida St.’s case, I think I accidentally counted the loss to Jacksonville St. twice. Normally an FCS opponent gets put in a separate category, but not when it’s a loss. Maybe the Seminoles deserved two losses for that game anyway. With the correction, Florida St. went up 17 spots to #98.
Final Notes and Week 10 Top 25
Anyway, since all of that is now sorted out and I don’t have any major time constraints, I might see how the weighted ratings look next week. These give teams extra credit for performance against very good opponents. I think they bring my ratings closer to what the Playoff committee looks at.
I don’t like to look at that before this time of year because the top teams are still too volatile (for instance, I’m glad I didn’t give a team a ton of credit for having played Michigan St. or Wake Forest in the Week 9 ratings).
Rank/Team/Last
1 |
Georgia |
1 |
2 |
Notre Dame |
6 |
3 |
Alabama |
8 |
4 |
Michigan |
4 |
5 |
Cincinnati |
5 |
6 |
Oklahoma St. |
10 |
7 |
Ohio St. |
7 |
8 |
B. Young |
11 |
9 |
Texas A&M |
19 |
10 |
Oklahoma |
9 |
11 |
Wisconsin |
16 |
12 |
Wake Forest |
3 |
13 |
Michigan St. |
2 |
14 |
TX-San Antonio |
17 |
15 |
Oregon |
14 |
16 |
Iowa |
13 |
17 |
Ole Miss |
21 |
18 |
San Diego St. |
20 |
19 |
Baylor |
12 |
20 |
Purdue |
— |
21 |
Penn St. |
— |
22 |
UL-Lafayette |
— |
23 |
Auburn |
15 |
24 |
Boise St. |
— |
25 |
Pittsburgh |
— |
Out of rankings: (18) Kentucky, (22) Air Force, (23) Fresno St., (24) Minnesota, (25) Appalachian St.
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Week 11 Top 25
In Bowls, College Football, College Football Playoff, General LSU, Preview, Rankings, Rankings Commentary on November 18, 2022 at 8:42 PMThis is kind of a rushed post. I always add the new rankings Saturday night or Sunday morning even if it takes until it’s sunrise for some of you; but for those who subscribe by email, it will not notify you when that is posted. Feel free to check whenever you get up on Sunday. I don’t always manage to post the conference ratings until Sunday afternoon though. By that time, I’ve also usually checked to see if any teams are out of place to make any needed corrections.
Until now, the top 25 in the blog was different from the computer top 25; but now that I’ve added the “weighted” component of the ratings, that will no longer be the case.
I apologize for this being so late, but normally I don’t even have to respond to anything work-related after 4:30 Pacific, but I was given a bunch of work right before 4:30 since one of my colleagues is on vacation. I didn’t want to have to scramble around at the last minute on Sunday, and of course I don’t want to be at all distracted on Saturday.
I also didn’t have time to update the Arkansas rivalry blog, but I should be able to update both that and the Texas A&M series this weekend. Obviously the A&M one will need to be updated again in about 8 days, so it’s possible I might wait until then.
I’ll only comment briefly about the top 25 given time constraints of it being late and there being games in less than 14 hours.
Commentary about Rankings Changes
Tennessee has passed up Michigan, but this is rather academic being that the Ohio St./Michigan winner is expected to pass up the Vols and remain ahead until the bowl season. The loser is expected to be behind the Vols and stay there until the bowl season.
With the win over Ole Miss, Alabama has passed up the Tigers, but this also likely doesn’t mean much as to the final pre-bowl ratings. If LSU loses a third game and Alabama doesn’t (unlikely against FCS Austin Peay or Auburn), Alabama will be ahead. If LSU beats UAB, Texas A&M, and Georgia, LSU will be ahead regardless of what the Tide does. I’m not making promises aout the top 4, but LSU may also pass up multiple other teams, especially those who don’t play a championship game, with wins in the remaining contests.
I doubt it has a bearing on the national championship picture, but the Pac-12 is very interesting. I was correct in suggesting people pay attention to the Washington-Oregon game last week. Putting the Huskies’ new rating aside, the Pac-12 now has four teams between #9 and #13. That’s interesting enough, but all four of those teams play another one of those teams this weekend. There will be two one-loss teams and possibly three two-loss teams in the conference heading into the final weekend. The championship now involves the best two teams, so every two-loss team after this week may still have a realistic chance if one of the winners were to lose next week.
I don’t have a whole lot to say about Texas-San Antonio (who mostly has moved up by virtue of not losing in not-very-good conference, or Oklahoma St., who has been in and out of the top 25 due to inconsistent performance.
But there is another interesting new team, which is Central Florida. You may have heard of them. The Knights will potentially unseat Tulane from a New Years Six spot by virtue of beating the Green Wave; however, there is also some potential drama in the closing weeks regarding crowning a champion of the American conference. The Knights, who have beaten both teams already, will most likely play the winner of Cincinnati (which made the Playoff last year) and Tulane (set for November 26) in championship week.
I completely disagree with championship games that simply match the two best teams, particularly when they involve a rematch (which, if the winner has a better record, is completely unfair to whomever won the first time), but it does help make for some excitement.
Top 25