This was almost completely written over the weekend (and I updated the records on the Ole Miss blog), but it was just one of those weeks where everything took twice as long as it should have. I have a salaried position; so if things take longer, that just takes away my free time.
Ole Miss @ LSU and the Final Score
LSU and the top 25 finally aren’t completely separate topics, but I’ll address and elaborate upon that game first and most extensively. LSU had the best knockoff of a top team (I wanted to say upset, but it wasn’t one) in the win over Ole Miss. I had the Rebels 5th and LSU 19th, but the major polls had the Rebels 7th and LSU unranked. Las Vegas and I both picked LSU to win though. I heard that the amateur bettors (misled by polls and sports shows, I guess) picked Ole Miss in droves to keep the line close. Ole Miss may still make a New Years Six bowl though, because I don’t know who other than Alabama is likely to beat them. The Egg Bowl may be close, but Texas A&M and Arkansas look bad more than they look good these days.
I did pick a much closer game, but it could have been 28-10 at the half (rather than 20-17) without a great play by Jaray Jenkins to catch an underthrown touchdown pass through double coverage and without Ole Miss settling for two field goals. Ole Miss would have also scored in the final minutes of the third quarter without an interception by Joe Foucha in the end zone on a second-and-goal from the 9. Despite being much shorter range, that was even more of an underthrow than there was for the Jenkins touchdown (due in part to the pressure on the quarterback).
It was the opposite of the Tennessee game, where all the breaks before and after halftime went the other way and put the game out of reach for the Tigers.
I’ll explain further why I don’t think I was terribly wrong in my estimation of the Ole Miss offense or the LSU defense; but I did say that if the game got to a point where Ole Miss needed to rely on Jaxson Dart (more on him in a moment), they were probably in trouble. When LSU scored on the ensuing drive after the interception that kept it a 4-point game, I didn’t see a realistic way back for the Rebels.
LSU could have done the 4-down kneel to avoid the last touchdown late in the fourth quarter, and that would have put them only three points over the 35 I predicted; but I don’t think scoring on a run up the middle is running up the score. If you had told me LSU would have the ball for nearly a quarter more than Ole Miss did, I would have increased LSU’s score on that basis too.
On the other hand, if you had told me how many total yards the two teams would have, I might not have changed my score prediction. LSU did a much better job of making their yards lead to points. That hasn’t always been the case.
Regardless, if you followed the score I predicted, you won money on both the point spread (LSU -1.5) and the over/under (64), so I don’t feel bad that LSU won by about 20 more points than I thought they would.
Jaxson Dart
I do want to say that I didn’t mean my remarks in the preview about Dart to be insulting. I actually like him, and I’m glad he transferred from USC to a team I don’t mind cheering for most of the time. I just thought he and the offense as a whole had some limitations that LSU could exploit. I watched him play against BYU last year, and they nearly won that game even though it was toward the end of a terrible season for the Trojans. I still remember his positive attitude during and after that game. I also respect the way he hung in there Saturday despite all the hits. His interview with the media struck a good tone as both an opponent and as a teammate. He seems more mature than Lane Kiffin does, to be honest. Dart was also one of the scholar athletes of the game, so it’s OK if I’m correct that he’s not one of the best quarterbacks in college football. He’ll probably be fine if he doesn’t go pro.
Rating LSU, Ole Miss, and the ACC Atlantic
As in the polls, there was too much of a gap for LSU to surpass Ole Miss in the rankings regardless of the final score. Even though Florida St. has only lost to ranked teams (more on their division in a moment), their three losses are too much of a drag on LSU. Although LSU’s schedule otherwise has been better than Ole Miss’s, there is still the FCS win over Southern and the win over New Mexico, probably one of the five worst FBS teams.
I’m a little surprised only one voter in either poll voted for Clemson as #1. I know their wins haven’t been by large margins, but two different teams (Wake Forest and Syracuse) can credit their only loss to Clemson. North Carolina St. only has two losses, one to Clemson and one to a team (Syracuse) whose only loss is to Clemson. Florida St. has three losses: Clemson, Wake Forest, and North Carolina St. There are no ties, so all of these other teams had to account for wins against one another at some point; but no outside team has beaten any of the five. I think they’ll all be favored in the remaining games not against each other also.
I do think the winner of Tennessee and Georgia (if undefeated) will likely overcome Clemson at some point. Right now, I think Tennessee would win; but I believe in getting credit for the wins that have actually happened once they occur and not before. That’s why I wouldn’t have wanted Ole Miss higher than they were. Just because they would eventually have a mostly SEC schedule doesn’t mean they should have gotten special treatment when they had only played a few SEC teams, two of them in the bottom fourth of the conference.
Additional Top 25 Commentary
Ohio St. moved down and back up based on something I had entered incorrectly into the computer formula, so their increase isn’t apropos of anything. By the way, it’s also possible that the eventual winner of Ohio St. and Michigan could pass up Clemson.
Another possibility of Clemson being passed up without losing would be after the conference championship games. Right now, North Carolina (who lost to Notre Dame and barely beat Appalachian St.) leads the ACC Coastal by a game and a half over Duke and Georgia Tech.
Teams like Illinois and Utah didn’t do anything wrong, but you can get passed up when you don’t play.
Tulane, Liberty, and the aforementioned North Carolina join the top 25 for the first time this year. I don’t think they would beat now-unranked teams like Texas (who lost to Oklahoma St.) and Mississippi St. (although Liberty versus Mississippi St. would be an interesting game given the two head coaches); but none of the three has shied away from competition, and they only have one loss apiece. Newly arrived Troy has two losses, which is why they are the last of the new teams, but one of those losses was after giving up a Hail Mary touchdown to Appalachian St. (making them just barely worse than North Carolina through the lens of the common opponent anyway) and the other was to Ole Miss.
Kentucky only fell out due to a bye week, and Mississippi St. only fell out due to losing to Alabama, so either could be back shortly. Another SEC team, South Carolina, is getting close to consideration for a ranking. Other than the ones who just fell out, other teams in my top 35 are Kansas St., Coastal Carolina, Texas-San Antonio, Houston, and Cincinnati.
For the full list of 131, follow the link above to “Knights’ Ratings” or go here. I’ve now included conference ratings (simply based on average rating) below the team ratings.
Top 25
Rank | Team | Last |
1 | Clemson | 1 |
2 | Tennessee | 2 |
3 | Texas Christian | 6 |
4 | Georgia | 3 |
5 | Ohio St. | 7 |
6 | Alabama | 8 |
7 | Michigan | 4 |
8 | Oregon | 13 |
9 | Ole Miss | 5 |
10 | USC | 11 |
11 | UCLA | 9 |
12 | Syracuse | 10 |
13 | LSU | 19 |
14 | Oklahoma St. | 20 |
15 | Penn St. | 16 |
16 | Wake Forest | 14 |
17 | Illinois | 12 |
18 | Tulane | — |
19 | Liberty | — |
20 | N Carolina St. | 18 |
21 | Utah | 15 |
22 | Oregon St. | 24 |
23 | N Carolina | — |
24 | Troy | — |
25 | Maryland | 25 |
— | Mississippi St | 17 |
— | Texas | 21 |
— | Purdue | 22 |
— | Kentucky | 23 |
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Rivalry Week Top 25 and CFP Reaction
In College Football, College Football Playoff, Rankings, Rankings Commentary on December 2, 2022 at 2:51 PMCFP Reaction
I ended up agreeing with the committee regarding the top 5. I’ll be really surprised if two of the current top 4 lose this weekend. I had said before last week that I thought Ohio St. would be one of the stronger non-champions were they to lose to Michigan.
Neither Tennessee nor Alabama, who each have two losses, had a non-conference game that was worth very much to compensate for the extra loss. The SEC is better, but it’s not so much better that you don’t need either a very good non-conference game or a ninth conference game.
I did think that LSU would have deserved consideration if they had finished with 2 losses, but the Tigers did get the ninth conference game when they qualified for the SEC Championship Game. This would have given LSU a second win over a team who finished with a winning record in conference.
Anyway, as to who #6 should be, I disagree with those who have Tennessee behind Alabama. Tennessee not only played the #1 team in the country by virtue of playing in the SEC East, but they also beat both of the top teams in the SEC West. Alabama didn’t beat anyone in the top 6 (there are 7 teams per division) of the SEC East, and they also didn’t beat the only team with a winning conference record (LSU) in the SEC West. The Tide did lose two games in the last second, but I think beating more good teams should count for more than how close the losses were. Alabama didn’t have to beat a team like either team who beat Tennessee. Texas was a better non-conference opponent than Pitt, but that doesn’t make up for Alabama playing Vanderbilt as the extra cross-divisional opponent while Tennessee drew LSU, not to mention Georgia and South Carolina.
Ratings and Other Thoughts
I don’t think this technicality matters as far as Playoff arguments but something else that annoys me is if you lose a tiebreaker for the conference championship game, you’re still considered a divisional co-champion. Even though LSU lost after clinching the spot in the championship game, Alabama can now claim they’ve won the SEC West 10 of 11 years (the exception being 2019). I prefer the NFL approach. If you lose the tiebreaker to the team that advances as the winner of the division, you’re not called a champion or co-champion. The previous time the Tide lost it outright was also to LSU, in 2011. Since divisions will cease to exist in about two years, I hope we can get at least one more outright win in the next two years.
Back to my rankings/ratings, you may have noticed the “weighted rank” doesn’t penalize as much for losses anymore. I’ve compensated for that by making it a smaller component of the overall total, but it still does take record into consideration to some extent. For instance, Vanderbilt had to play four of the five best teams by conference record in the SEC and is only #39 in the weighted rankings because the Commodores also have 7 losses. Alabama only played two of those teams and is #15 in the weighted rankings largely because there were no other losses.
So, although when I first introduced the weighted rankings they were meant to stand alone, in no universe did I think LSU was #1 last week or that Oregon St. is #2 this week (after Georgia); but those are the teams (other than Georgia) most deserving of bonus points if you will given a combination of a good record and quality opponents. I also think it’s right that Clemson lost an extra spot (from what they are in the original unweighted formula) because their weighted rank fell to #24. Clemson just barely edged out LSU and Oregon St.
One might come to the conclusion that I don’t give conferences other than the SEC enough of a chance with the weighted component, but there are five Pac-12 teams in the weighted top 10 and only three SEC teams. All things being equal, LSU and Tennessee having such tough conference slates would have caused them to finish lower than Alabama in the standings, but they both beat the Tide and ended up with the same number of conference losses as the Tide.
USC was the only one of those five Pac-12 teams to have a better weighted rank than unweighted rank. This was because the other four all finished with three overall losses. It also helped that the Trojans played Notre Dame. This compensated somewhat for USC not having played Washington and Oregon.
The other teams in the top 10 of the weighted rankings are Texas and Michigan. Michigan is doing well being that they only played two teams in the top 40 in my overall ratings, but of course being undefeated helps. Texas has the opposite situation: a number of top-40 opponents (4) but also a number of losses (4). Texas has also played 5 teams that finished between numbers 41 and 65 with only one opponent (ULM) below #85.
There are only a couple of the lower teams I thought needed a little bit of explanation beyond the results of last week.
It really hurt Florida St. that Clemson and LSU lost because those games were largely responsible for the Seminoles’ having an unweighted ranking of 14 and a weighted ranking of 16 last week. Notre Dame’s loss to USC also had some collateral effect upon the ACC as a whole as well given that the Irish beat both of the ACC title contestants and another team (Syracuse) who went .500 in conference and finished 7-5 going into the bowl game.
The only other team who seems somewhat out of place is Boise St. The win over Utah St. wasn’t the most impressive (although to be fair, the Aggies had won 5 of 6 going into the game), but the three teams who had beaten the Broncos all had “good” weeks. The Broncos’ worst loss, UTEP, is still not a good team; but the Miners improved their strength of schedule considerably by playing UTSA. You probably know what happened with Oregon St. (who beat Boise St. in Week 1) and why their stock improved. Also, BYU improved its strength of schedule with the win over Stanford (who played in a good conference and somehow beat Notre Dame…. Best wishes to departing head coach David Shaw, by the way. How he made it so long is beyond me).
I also noticed there were some games that weren’t included the last time or two I had updated the weighted rankings, so that may have played some role in why Florida St. fell after a loss and why Boise St. rose so far after a win over a now-6-loss opponent. I think that’s also the main reason UCLA fell so much last week and rose so much this week. Without correctly factoring in how good USC was, it made the loss to the Trojans look worse than it should have; and this is now corrected.
Regardless, I like the process I’ve followed this year because it’s been a lot more stable. I don’t like to say a given team is top 10 one week and not in the top 25 the next or that six or seven teams are in this week’s top 25 but weren’t in last week’s. We don’t really find out that much about a team in one game, especially not when it’s 1 of 12 games, so I don’t like to see much volatility later in the year even if there are some adjustments in the methodology.
Top 25
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